EMAILS I HAVE RECEIVED FROM GRADUATES OF THE 93E2 SCHOOL
PART 4: AFTER IT LEFT FT. MONMOUTH IN 1969
Compiled by Paul A. Roales
Note: The email below are arranged in order of graduation date from the school.
Updated Feb. 15, 2011 with a very late Chanute AFB graduate (See 1980 below). Updated March 3, 2011 with a June, 1975 graduate. Updated November 15, 2011 with a 1981 Chanute AFB graduate.
Summer 1970. (Ft. Sill) In March, 2004 I heard from Vern Weitzel. Here is what he had to say: "I graduated from the school after it moved to Fort Sill.I started school at Fort Sill in February of 1970. After graduation I believe that most people in our class were given assignments in the US for the next year or so, then many of those of us who were regular army were shipped to Viet Nam. I rejoined several of my classmates at Artillery Hill in Pleiku with the 7/15 Artillery in September 1971. When that unit stood down at the end of the year, we were redeployed over the next months to different units and assignments outside our MOS. Several of us went to Tuy Hoa where we unsuccessfully attempted to do meteorological work at that Air Base, and then to Bien Hoa with the 1st Cavalry. Some of us eventually returned to ballistic meteorology but it was a very unusual period, in which people may have made several permanent changes of station in a single year, as troops were moving rapidly home. In the end I did ten months of my tour before returning to the US in mid-1972. I could not get work in meteorology after the Army so I went back to school I now live - of all places - in Ha Noi where I do Interenet stuff for the UN."
Summer 1970 (OJT). In November, 2007 I got the following email from Danny King who was an OJT graduate in 1970. Here is what he said: "I served as a 93E at Dugway Proving Grounds from April 1970 thru October 1971. I was sent there straight out of basic training from Ft Knox. I attended classes in Ditto area taught by military and civilian instructors. I think they considered me an OJT. I ended working out onthe grids,in the radiosonde tower and the perimeter trapline. I was also sent to the Rocky Mountain Arsenal at Denver Colorado on TDY for 6 months during their mustard gas burning operation. I am trying to gather any information I can about what I tried to described above."
September 1970 (Ft. Sill). In March, 2006 I heard from Waddy Coppinger He says: "I was US Army, basic training at Ft Lewis, WA., 93E20 trained at Ft. Sill, stationed in Canal Zone (Ft.Davis, Ft. Sherman, Coco Solo) 10/70 to 2/73, a rawinsonde, rocketsonde observer at site San Lorenzo, Caribbean side, under a Warrant Officer Ballinger. I have utterly failed to find anyone or any remembrance of this great experience; I guess it began to shut down not long after my departure, and for sure it all ended with the Panamanians taking over the "Zone" under President Carter. If there really is nothing out there, just a sort of black hole, perhaps I could share my experiences and get someone's attention. I also worked for the weather service for a year in Lake Charles, LA, before going back to Albuquerque and the rest of my life. Wadsworth (Waddy) Coppinger, US Army Spec.V, 2/70 to 2/73."
When I asked him if he remembered any of the soldiers I knew were in the Canal Zone he replied: "Yes, Steve Repasch was from Philly as I recall, tall basketball player on a team at Davis, and Beatles fan - his last name finally hit me, if I'm not mistaken. He was there in 1970 when I arrived at Ft. Davis barracks - one of my early photos, before I got my Minolta, was of his posters of the Beatles on a cubicle wall. He was there when we all felt an earthquake at 9 PM and another time 4 of us got lost in the jungle and he was there. He left before too long, only 2 year hitch I believe. My stay in Panama was long as I was allowed to extend after 18 months, until getting out of service in 2/73. Other names I do better recall are (10/70 - 2/73): Danny Hines (from Houston, in bunk across from mine at Davis), Jim Markus (GMD, radar tech., liked classical music), Mike Wepsala (sometimes poet who went to Yuma, AZ after Canal Zone), Max Hartman (master bowler), Matthew Miller, Glynn Harvey, Bruce Mitchell, Tom Lawrence (Princeton wrestler - we took a trip to Costa Rica together), Bernard Medola, Don Hansbrough, Don Taylor, Lance Isaacson (a Lutheran minister in Minnesota who did write me many years back), David Boster (Rice grad I think) who drove back to Texas in a Land Cruiser when he got out. And there was Tom Slagle, great receiver (played college ball), who was going to work on elevators when he got out, was from Maryland. These were all friends, fellow met teamers. Only NCO I remember by name was Sgt. Brown, a Baptist minister as well, also a mechanic who hooked up a relay on my 6 volt '66 VW, so it would start every time."
September 1970 (Ft. Sill). I heard from Bernie Behrens on November 30, 2010. Here is what he had to say: "I just now discovered your website recording the history of MOS 93E20 Army Weather Observer. I was in MOC-9 1970 at Fort Sill, in the same class as Waddy Coppinger, from May 1970 thru September. He went to Panama Canal and I went to Alaska, first to Fort Wainwright and then later to Fort Greeley. I was stationed there til Feb 1972 when I ETS'd from the Regular Army and then returned home to California. Afterwards I stayed on in the USAR and the California National Guard. With just a few breaks in service I served for almost 40 years and retired earlier this year from the Cal Guard as a MSG E8. I went thru basic training at Fort Lewis from Feb thru May 1970 and I mostly remember it as cold, wet, dark and miserable. I came back thru North Fort Lewis in 2004 for a USAR deployment to Iraq. Hugh Mumford is a name that comes to mind. He lived on a farm in Pennsylvania. I also recall Ted Czerkies from Alaska dayze. As a hobby he painted and I bought a few of his painting just before I packed up n went home. I still have one of 'em, signed with "Czerkies '71" painted in tiny letters on the bottom right corner, and it hangs over my fireplace. I was in MOC-9 from May thru September. It was the "summer session" at Fort Sill and we often sat out on the stoop of our barracks after class when there was a real whiz-bang of a thunderstorm building up overhead. We looked up hoping we might actually see the cumulus mammatus clouds that were a signal of a possible tornado funnel; but it never happened. When we started the course in May we were billeted in a section of WWII wooden 2-story "temporary" barracks; About midway thru the course we got moved into concrete and cinder-block barracks that were emptied out when the Artillery OCS program got RIFted down to a smaller size. The whole class that was graduating just as we arrived -- MOC-7 or MOC-8, I think, got sent directly to Vietnam in their secondary MOS -- 93F20, ballistics meteorologist, for the fire-direction control sections of artilery battalions. As I am sure you remember, the 9-week upper air meteorology phase of our course was academically equivalent to the 9-week ballistics met course, and that's how we were dual-MOS'd, which was the ostensible reason that the meteorology course got moved from Fort Monmouth to Fort Sill and from Signal Corps to the Artillery. Our MOS course instructors at that time were all more than somewhat taken aback by this and commented that in the entire time that they had been with the school -- a year or 2, that they had NEVER before seen an entire class of 93 Echos sent to Vietnam. As it so happened, everything had returned to normal in the meantime and we all got sent to where MOS 93 Echoes usually went -- Alaska, Panama, Ft. Huachuca, White Sands, Natick Research Lab in Massachusetts, etc. Sorry to hear that you lost Waddy Coppinger's email address. I remember he was a good guy, and devoted to the weather course and to the purpose of the MOS. I have to admit that for me it was something of a lark, a course that for the most part offered an MOS that would keep me outta Vietnam. Tho there were some worrisome moments, things mostly worked out the way I expected, and I went to Alaska for 18 months. It was really a wonderful experience, and I have to say I would NEVER have got up to see Alaska in the way that I did for a sustained period of time, on my own initiative. It took joining up with Uncle Sam to make it happen. Another thing I wanted to add about Wally Coppinger was that a good friend of his from MOC-9, I think his name was Thompson, was killed in a commercial plane crash in Alaska in 1971. Tho that was 39 years ago, in 1971, I still remember his name and that of 2 other weather teamers, Bottinger and Drzosdasky, who went down with the plane. The irony of losing them was all too abundant -- we'd all escaped the maw of Vietnam when we got sent to Alaska, and then they lost their lives a year later in a commercial plane crash on a flight to Anchorage. Needless to say it was completely unexpected when we lost 'em. Re Ted Czerkies, I got to know him at Fort Greeley and I'd really be happy to get in touch with him. He was one of the greatest guys I knew the whole time I was a weather teamer in Alaska -- a real true character. He was older than most of the rest of us and it gave him a more mature perspective on things than I had then. I looked up to him for that. I never really did use the weather MOS for anything else after that, tho having it on my resume added a lil cachet when I was applying for work years later as a highschool Earth Science teacher."
December 1970 (Ft. Sill). In November, 2006 I heard from John Ludman of Toledo Ohio. He said: "I was a 93 Echo, trained at Ft. Sill, OK. Graduated Ft. Sill Met school in late Dec 1970 or early Jan 1971. Had to report to Ft. Greely by Feb 1, 1971 and I had a short leave in between. Stationed at Ft. Greely, AK 1971-1972. Also had a TDY at Vandenberg AFB in Feb 1971 to train as a launch control operator to fire weather rockets, which is what I did at Ft. Greely. Almost my entire class from Ft. Sill went to Ft. Greely. Names I remember: John Hutto from Texas; John (Jack) Grande, Minnesota; Ted Warner, Chicago; Ted Czerkies, Chicago; Joe Farinella, Chicago; George Houdeshel, Virginia Beach; and Msgt. Ralph Yarbrough, NC. Interested in the possibility of reconnecting with some old buddies."
September 1971 (Ft. Sill). In April, 2010 I heard from Michael R. Arndt. Here is what he had to say: "How interesting to read your web page and what great memories it brings back. I attended basic training at Ft. Dix NJ Jan 1971-Apr 1971 and received orders for Ft. Sill OK in April 1971. I wondered what was going on because the recruiter told me I would be going to Ft. Monmouth NJ. I certainly didn't want to be artillery. I then found out, to my relief, that the 93E meteorology school had been moved to Ft. Sill. I attended the 19 week Met school at Ft. Sill OK from Apr 1971 to Sep 1971. While I was there lightning struck a utility pole across the parking lot and knocked out the equipment. The whole class in front of mine got orders for Vietnam as 93F but no one in our class did. In Sep 1971 I graduated the 93E course with a 93 GPA. I received orders for the Met Team at WSMR, NM where I was mostly involved in upper air observations (T9 radar workups, theodolites, radiosondes etc.) in support of research projects. I worked a lot at the Small Missile Range (SMR) also. While at WSMR I had the opportunity to go to Roswell NM to provide support for the 1976 VIKING MARS LANDER PROJECT. I was assigned to Ft. Greely AK in Oct 1972 which I gladly accepted because others were receiving orders for Vietnam. Immediately upon arriving at Ft. Greely I was reassigned to the Poker Flat research facility, in Chatanika, AK northeast of Fairbanks where we supported R&D projects with upper air soundings and Met rockets (ARCAS and LOKI). I attended the Met rocket school at Vandenberg AFB CA in Jan 1973 to learn the met rocket business and was honor graduate. While in school the announcement was made that we were withdrawing troops from Vietnam. We all felt relief as the possibility of going to Vietnam was always hanging over your head.At Poker Flat we had a six/seven man team with a chief warrant officer in charge so the assignment, although cold, was really a good one. We lived on Ft. Wainwright but had no other duties there as our official home site was still Ft. Greely. Most days we drove our GSA vehicle the 25-30 miles out to the site, sent up a balloon and fired a rocket, worked up the data and then came home by 2 or 3 PM. Of course there were the occasional night time work in support of Aurora Borealis research and we also built a dome at the top of the ridge so not all of the days were short. I remained at the Poker Flat facility until Nov 1974. I then reenlisted, and got the 10K bonus, for Redstone Arsenal Al and spent some time there doing classified Micro-Met projects. Micro-Met wasn't that appealing to me so I requested a transfer to Yuma Proving Grounds to get back into the upper air sounding community and was assigned there in Apr 1976. While at YPG in 1976, I applied for Weather Forecaster school and was accepted in early 1977. I attended the 28 week (1096 hour) Weather Forecaster School at Chanute AFB Apr 1977-Nov 1977. While there I was promoted to SSG E6. I attained a 92 GPA for the course. After forecaster school I was assigned back to YPG in Nov 1977 to be the weather forecaster there. During that time I did environmental forecasting, air blast forecasts, upper winds forecasts, provided weather briefings, issued severe weather warnings and flash flood warnings until I left Army in Oct 1978 due to a marital separation and because I had custody of my son I was unable to continue my career. After the Army I worked for civil service as an accounting technician for the Navy Ships Parts Control Center (SPCC) in Mechanicsburg, PA. I tried a brief stint as a weather observer/radar operator for the National Weather Service at Indianapolis in 1981 but that didn't work out as they had rotating shift work schedule and I was a single parent at that time. I returned to the Navy and eventually became a computer programmer/application developer and accounting manager at the Naval Inventory Control Point (NAVICP) in Mechanicsburg, PA. until I retired in Nov 2006. I remarried in 1998 and coincidentally my wife's father was a meteorology specialist in the Marines during WWII and Korea. Some names I remember include Specialist John Rapp (geology lover) from YPG (Reading, Pa) Sgt. Fotopoulous from White Sands and YPG. SFC David Hand from White Sands, CW4 Ralph New from Poker Flat, Specialist John Lavely from Poker Flat, Sgt. Byrd from Poker Flat, SFC Robert Mitchell from YPG, Sgt. John Hall from YPG, Sgt. Tankersley from Redstone Arsenal, Specialist Oullette(sp?) from White Sands and Specialist Jordan from Poker Flat. Hearing from any of them or others and sharing memories would be great. I was so saddened to read of the demise of the 93E in 1982. I spent almost eight years doing Met work in the Army and I had a great time in the military and although I probably wasn't a great soldier (I actually turned down NCO school because I just wasn't that interested in the soldiering/leadership stuff) I loved the 93E MOS. Despite my average soldiering ratings I always managed to score high enough on the Met tests to be awarded pro pay. If I can remember any more names or interesting facts I'll email you with them."
January 1972 (Ft. Sill). In November, 2001 I heard from J. R. Hoff who spent almost 22 years in the Army, much of it as a meteorologist. He begin active duty: 26 May 1971 at Fort Jackson, SC in Basic, got his 93E training at Ft. Sill, OK and retired 01 Mar 1993 at Fort Bliss, Texas with the rank of Master Sergeant E-8. His MOS's held included 93E Meteorological Observer, 93F Field Artillery Meteorologist, 00E Army Field Recruiter, 16T PATRIOT Missile Crewmember and 24T PATRIOT Operator & Systems Mechanic. His meteorology duty stations included White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico; Tooele Army Depot, Utah; Fort Greely, Alaska; and Redstone Arsenal, Alabama. Here is what he had to say: "I will give you all the information that I can remember. It has been 30 years. You are correct, the school was moved to Fort Sill, Oklahoma and later to Chanute AFB in Illinois. Class started mid-August because my birthday was the first week in September and I remember going downtown Lawton to celebrate as I had just turned 18. My orders for graduation are dated 17 January 1972, so that would put the school at 5 months. I remember the school commandant at the time. That was Sergeants Major Thompson. I went to high school with his son down in Panama which is why I remember. I remember the instructors faces but I just can't remember their names. Maybe they will come to me at a later time. The school was in a building called I-See-O Hall. Named after an Indian? There were 12 in our class and all of us graduated. We started out as E-1 or E-2 but all graduated as E-3/PFC. The course was tough and I remember doing a lot of studying. Memorizing the names of 30 different clouds was not easy. I do remember failing the first test with a 67. This really woke me up and I started to take things much more seriously. We had two soldiers in the class that had degree's in meteorology and I remember outscoring them on several tests after that first failure. I have some pictures of the met team in WSMR and in Redstone if you are interested in them. I will send you two jpegs in another email. I also have a list of all the personnel that were in the 93E field which I will send in this email. It is a word document. I got the list from a buddy out in New Mexico. We graduated high school, went through basic on the buddy system, then Ft. Sill for Met School and both got stationed at WSMR. Best regards, J.R."
January, 1972 (Ft. Sill). In February, 2007 I heard from Dave McGinnis. He syas: "I attended the 93E school at Ft Sill. In Jan 72 they sent me to the Canal Zone where I remained until May 1973 when I was discharged. I must have been in the same class as Mr Hoff, who may remember Steven Hunter from Norfolk Va who also was our classmate and was in Alaska. MOC 2-72 was my class designation, Met Observer Course the 2nd to graduate for 72, in Jan.
I still retain my class notes from those days, and a class photo. Today I put a search on for the class photo but no luck. I'll try again; it's out there, we're sitting beneath a GMD on the prairie. I finished my physics degree when I got out, and got a graduate degree in meteorology. I met Gordon MaCrae (MOC 3-72, CZ) while at grad school in Utah, we were both in the master's program, small world. People might remember his car, a blue Toyota Celica he had shipped down. That was unique. Waddy, I remember you. You had a nice stereo, Pioneer maybe; you slept a lot. I almost shipped to Albuquerque last year but it fell through. I've enjoyed a 30-year career in the field which has taken me all around the world, all thanks to getting drafted and sent to Ft Sill. Anyone who knew me would agree I made a terrible soldier. I was drafted out of college and I felt I had a right or even a duty to keep the faith. But it turned out I liked meteorology which I might never have known otherwise. In the National Weather Service I am a line forecaster at the Key West FL office. I get good support and practice my trade which is saving lives and protecting property. In a few years I will retire, and a visit to the CZ might be fun. I am interested in hearing from Steve Hunter, Rudy Valrey, Ken Webb or Matt Miller. Hey Rudy, I got an Expert chess rating! It was the Bobby Fischer era; He's probably a master."
January 1972 (Ft. Sill).
On October 17, 2008 I heard from John T. McGuire from El Paso. He said: "
Enjoyed reading you web page on the MOS 93E. I attended 93E training at Ft.
Sill Ok in January of 1972. The school had been extended by two weeks, added
to the Micro-meteorology phase for training in electronics. My first
assignment was to Ft. Greely Alaska, I was there till Nov of '74. I was
transferred to YPG where I stayed till early '77 when I was selected to go
the Chanute AFB, Rantoul Ill, for training as a forecaster that school
lasted 8 months. Upon completion I was re-assigned to White Sands Missile
Range, this is were the headquarters had been move to, previous to this HQ
was located in Fort Huachuca.
I currently work for a major defense company and two of the people I work
with were also 93E, though neither were forecasters. I was able to get 14
years in this MOS and truly enjoyed every minute of it. The highlight of my
career as an Echo was that when I was stationed at WSMR the Space Shuttle
landed there in I think '81. It was the third mission known as STS 3. I was
project forecaster for that mission, and on the day it was scheduled to land
my forecast for very high winds at the landing site keep the shuttle in the
air an extra 24 hours. As a side note, at the time the shuttle would have
land there was a gust of wind perpendicular to the runway of 47 kts, strong
enough to have cause the shuttle to, as it was put to me by the "head
astronaut" "flipped" the shuttle over and possibly caused injury or even
possibly death to the astronauts on board.
The two guys I currently work with are Charles Kelley and Mike Horst. Mike was OJT trained but Charles was school trained, in fact my class number was MOC 7 72 and his was MOC 8 72 (neither class started till Jan of '72). Mike,
Charles, and I were the last of the 93E at WSMR. I being the last military Forecaster there, Mike was the team NCOIC, and Charles was NCOIC of the RAWIN section. We all left at the same time, Nov '84, and went to Ft Bliss to be trained as Patriot Missile Operators/Maintainers (24T's). All of us finished out army careers in this MOS, Mike and Charles retired at 20 years and I at 22. I worked with several civilian forecaster while at WSMR. ASL or
Atmospheric Sciences' Laboratory maintained a civilian force for a couple of years after the military was booted out but was disbanded in the early 90's. WSMR range control took over the monitoring of the weather for a couple years after that. As I understand it currently any and all weather forecasts are obtained from Holliman AFB in Alamogordo NM, and weather monitoring on the range is done with remote automated weather stations. All the other sites/teams the MOS had a dead and gone, like Dougway Proving Grounds, Ft. Greely, Ft. Wainwright, Yuma Proving Ground, Hunterlegit in CA,and the sites down in Panama. It was a sad day when the Government Accounting Office closed us down. Col. Rawlinson (ASL Commander) spent thelast 4 years of his career trying to save the MOS. But the finial ax fell at the end of fiscal year in '82.
As the senior military forecast at WAMR, I went to the Trinity bomb site many times. Once every three months or so I was given a helicopter ride to survey the area which helped me determine the micro climatologic effects the
terrain had on my forecast. Wow, I really miss being a forecaster, that was a really challenging job. After I retired I tried to find a job in weather but since I didn't have BS or higher in the field I couldn't find one. The closest I came was a small airport in Midland TX that needed a weather "tech", as I understand it a weather tech is someone with more knowledge than an observer, but not degreed in weather forecasting. Well it was only
part time and I had a kid in college 'nuff said.
I've attached a picture of my MOC class (I'm in the second row kneeling, forth from the left w/ black hair). Here are the names I have to those in the picture I sent you of my MOC class: Sitting: White, Weatherwax, Rezendies, Dexter, Valry, Kroll; 2nd Row (kneeling) Pickerell, Don't know (MOC-8), Leavett, McGuire (me), Bocheneck, Hunter; Standing Malkholy, Brewer, Don't know (MOC-8), Wilson. Sorry I don't have any of their first names and hope I spelled the names correctly."
1972 (Ft. Sill). In late September, 2006 I heard from Jack Magee. He says: "I had a brief brush with the 93E school at Ft Sill in '72 - '74. I was an artillery met type in Nam in '70 and '71 and knew a couple of 93E types doing time there. The only one I can remember for sure was Ron Nesler, but there were a couple of other disgruntled 93E's around. I just can't remember their names. In '72 I was assigned to the school at Ft Sill and since I had been through the forecasters school at Chanute I was assigned to the 93E course even though I had an Arty MOS. I bounced around there as an instructor for awhile, but never could really find a niche I felt comfortable in (translation: "clashed" with Kurtz"). I moved over to the maintenance course for the last couple of months I was there. I was reassigned to Germany and when I came back I was assigned to the Met section at Ft Huachuca for a few months until I retired. I can remember some faces from Huachuca, but can't connect a name with any of them. These are the people I remember from Ft Sill. Kurtz, CW-4 Southwood, Jake Reigert, Mr. Schwartz, retired CW - 4 Givens, SFC Yarborough, SFC Martin, SP Smythe, SP6 Millman, SP6 Hugo Saenz. After retiring from the Army I went back to school and obtained my teaching credential. I taught Middle School for 18 years here in CA and am now retired from that too. I visited some old Arty Met Types at Ft Sill in the Spring of '06 - that's thirty two years after I left - and nothing is as I left it. The old GMD was phased out and they replaced it with some kind of small portable device that is crewed by three men with a Humvee and the Chief of Section is an E-6. The 175mm gun and 8" howitzers are also gone - no more heavies.. Now they have the MLRS and 155mm Paladin system and that's it."
October 1972 (Fort Sill). In March, 2008 I heard from a 93E graduate from Ft. Sill who is now a civilian Instructor at the Artillery Met School at Ft. Sill. Bruce McDanel says: "I am a graduate of the armyís Meteorological Observer Course. The course was in the west wing of building 3040, I-See-O Hall, at Fort Sill. I graduated in October 1972. Presently, I work as a 13W, formally the 93F MOS, instructor for a local defense contractor at I-See-O Hall on Fort Sill. It was fun as a soldier, and absolutely great as a civilian. I teach in the classroom where I started my meteorological career in 1972. There are currently about 300 13Ws in the Army. With the ongoing reorganization of the army, there is a continuing shortage of this specialty. Our classes, maximum size 18, are often taught in shifts. The class size is limited by available equipment.
As a 93E, I was stationed at Tooele, Utah, from 1972 to 1976 collecting climate data for the Chemical Ammunition Demilitarization System (CAMDS). This project was still running when I made a visit after I retired from the Army 20 years later. My next station was the Panama Canal Zone, where I participated in various micrometeorological and upper air studies for 18 months. When I returned to the U.S., it was to Holloman Air Force Base, where White Sands Missile Rangeís upper range section is. I was made NCOIC for surface data collection on the upper range late in my tour there. Taking a break in 1980, I returned back to 93E in 1981, assigned as an instructor of the 93F MOS at Fort Sill in I-See-O Hall, where the school remains. The 93E school had been closed by this time. I was reclassified into 93F when the 93E MOS was eliminated in 1983. In 1985 I transferred to the 72nd FA Brigade in Germany as the met section NCOIC, doing my all in the Cold War. Returning to the States in 1987, I was assigned as the Testing and Evaluation NCO for Meteorology at the Testing and Experimentation Command, Field Artillery Board at Fort Sill. I retired from [the Army in] this position in 1992."
June, 1975 (Fort Sill). In February of 2011 I received the following email: "I am Cheryl Senglaup Van Syckle. I was PVT Senglaup back then. My nick name was Stormy and I was one of three WAC's in Met Ob Class 4-75, MOS 93E20. Our class was 21 weeks long. It included the 16 week course plus ballistics. We started class in Jan 1975 and graduated 6 Jun 1975. I went on to work with the Met team there at Ft Sill and attended instructor management course. I got married, received orders for name change, and was promoted to PFC Van Syckle. The two WACs that went to Met Ob course with me they were Karen Jane Flannigan and Lisa Phelps. These ladies and I were good friends, they were also my bridesmaids when I got married. I became an instructor on 14 November 75 and taught at ICO Hall until Feb 76 just before school moved to Chanute AFB. Col Furman was the Director of Instruction back then and Maj Vinson was the Chief of Training Technology & Services Division. I taught Upper Winds and rewrote the SOP & Training Guide for Humidity Wheel. The only fellow instructors/school officials I can remember are Sgt Thomas, Mr. Schwartz, and Mr Givens. My husband and I also remember an Alan Hasket ?sp. I believe he was one of the Ft Sill Met Team observers, but he might have been in our 4-75 class. When the school was closed down and moved to Chanute I was transferred to the 546th MP's and OJT'd 95B Military Police. Reenlisted to go back into 93E and was stationed at Cold Regions Test Center in Ft Greeley, AK. until Jul 1978. After I got out of service I was a civilian contracted meteorologist at NASA Field, Ellington AFB, TX until 1982. Then I became a science teacher and Young Astronaut Teacher until I retired from
teaching in 2005. Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures, sadly lost all personal effects in shipment to Alaska. Hopefully some of my old classmates/student/fellow instructors will respond and have pics. Would love to touch base with old service members and see old pictures." NOTE: Cheryl located the picture on the left and emailed it to me in June, 2011.
Spring 1977 (Chanute AFB). During the Survey in March, 2004 I heard from Jeffery Herke. Here is what he had to say: "Yes, I was a 93E20 meteorological observer. I was a native of South Dakota. I joined the Army in December of 1976. I attended Basic Training at Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri in the late winter of 1977. I had my meteorological observer training at Chanute AFB in Rantoul, IL in the spring of 1977. I was assigned to the Met. team at Toole Army Depot in Utah in the summer of 1977 and worked for Joe Lee. I left the Army in December of 1979. I stayed in Utah for a year and worked for Anaconda Copper. In 1980, I got a job with Envirosphere in Atlanta, GA doing a one year field monitoring project for Peabody Coal in New Athens, IL. I married my wife Beth in August, 1981. After the project, I moved to Atlanta and was involved in various projects with Envirosphere and was laid off in June of 1983. I started working for Nordson Corporation in Atlanta in August of 1983. I am presently doing technical customer service for my division of Nordson. I celebrated my 20th company anniversary last August and am still living and working in the Atlanta area."
1980 Chanute, IL. In January, 2011 I heard from Michael Ratliff about his experiences. He said: "I was a 93e Weather Observer from 80 to 83. I took my training at Chanute AFB in Rantoul, IL. After completion of training, I was transferred to White Sands Missile Range where I was detached to Holloman AFB. Later I would work civil service at Holloman AFB under Joe Carpenter before moving back to Kentucky. I still have some of my pictures at Chanute. I just came across this one of my graduating class at Chanute. I remember the names of only two in the photograph. I am standing between the two girls. The guy kneeling in front of me is Sgt. Carlos Pena. The guy over my left shoulder is Private Eric Druckery. As I recall he went to work as a meteorologist at some airport in the state of Washington after his service was up. The two women I cannot remember their names. They were stationed some where else after graduation. Where as Sgt. Pena, Private Druckery, and I all went to White Sands and then immediately detached to Holloman AFB. The two soldiers standing to either side of us where our instructors. Unfortunately I donít remember their names either.
I was detached at Holloman from 1980 to 1983. I would have re-upped if they hadnít civilianized our MOS. As I recall, I supported four of the first five Space Shuttle missions with rawinsonde data. I was there for the third Space Shuttle landing. At one point I was detached out to Fort Hunter Liggett when they were testing the Humvees. I even did pilot balloons for those huge balloons with large instrument packages they would send up from time to time. That was major cool. I was even there for the last gasps of the failed Sargent York project. If you donít remember that is the project they spent so much money on to set up an otherwise excellent manual aimed anti-aircraft gun to be radar controlled.
I remember working with Ray (Crash) Karnaz. The spelling of his last name may not be right. As I under stand it, he got his nickname from punching a whole in the wall. There was Ray Orosco. If my memory serves me correctly, he was big into investing. There was Glenn Blettner. He was a big ladyís man. He was taking college courses while serving his country. I was able to get in touch with him one time through Classmates. com. Another guy that I have been in more contact with was Glenn Ward. When he first arrived at Holloman, he had this huge case in which he had this large telescope. Other people that I remember working with are Mamie Williams, John Klingelhoeffer, Mark Lafountain, and Douglas Ream. These guys I only remember by name. I cannot remember their faces. There was Ed Alerheilegan(spelling ?). He was a soldier slash biker. I would often just call him alphabet as it was easier than his name and it seemed like his name had all the letters.
I actually went back there in 84 and worked as a civilian for one year, but my wife, at the time, hated the desert and we moved back to Kentucky in 85. There were civilians already there and there was no military at all. I remember that Joe Carpenter was in charge and Joseph Melchionne was his second. A few of the people I had served with in the Army were also there. Ahlerheilegen and Glen Ward was there and a girl, Pam something, was there too. I remember a Beverly Rushing who had never been in the military. She went on to work for NASA in Florida as I recall. She was good with surface obs. I had grown rusty with surface obs as I only did rawinsonde. They had put out on Northrup strip doing surface obs for one of the Shuttle missions. She called to help me with some of my coding. I hadn't reported what eventually happened to a CB that I had coded in on a previous observation I had transmitted. I had weather that day I had never reported before. I wore out the manual thumbing through it. :)"
1981 Chanute, IL.In August, 2011 I heard from Glenn Ward who graduated from Chanute in 1981. He said: "In one of your posts, Mike Ratliff was quoted as Knowing Glenn Ward, With his Large Telescopes. I am that guy. I have trying to find out about Holloman afb's ASL in which i worked as a civilian, and as a specialist in the Army. My Army weather career went something like this. There were 3 key people who were in the same class as me who went to school together. Corey Brockman, Michael VanDersloot, and Davd ? (last name eludes me) And of coursed myself. A unique set of actions happened to the 4 of us, and prolonged our experience of schooling.After Basic training at Ft. McClellan (Michael and I were in the same Company), we were sent to FT. Ben-Harrison, in Indianaoplis, before gatting the famous bus ride to Chanute AFB. After a few days at the student liaison center inside the Army's fincnce building, we left for Chanute AFB to begin school. Once at Chanute AFB, the 4 of us were ready for school to start, however, we were told that the class was over booked, and we were going to have to wait until the next class.(After the new year) So the four of us went back to Ft. Ben-Harrison and worked detailed jobs for about 6 weeks. When January rolled around we went Back to school, and began our training. After Graduation, the four of us were all assigned to WSMR. Mike and I were roomates, and Cory, and David had other roomies. About a 3 months later, I was tasked to go to Holloman AFB, and work out at the Northern part of the Missle range, at the Atmospheric Sciences Lab. I remember a few names (long time ago), like Randy Wallace (my first roommate), Spc. Mortimer (first name eludes me), Lee Dellinger, who became my best friend, and also a roommate of mine. There was a jump master, named Steve Goryl who tried to get me to try jumping out of a plane, but I declined. Steve always ate 2 cheeseburgers at the chow hall, which I thought was a little odd, but we Army folk are always a little odd. Staff Sargeant Pellitier, who was a Karate expert was Randy's supervisor. SSgt Curtis Foxx was to become my supervisor. As the roll out of the Civilians taking over most GI's left for greener pastures, and I was
scheduled to to to Ft. Haucha (?) as a phototgraphic interpreter. I decide to get out,and work as a civilian for the Holloman AFB ASL. I stayed at SSGT Foxx's house for a week until I married, and after a month, I was hired. So I worked with Ed Allerheilgen the Biker/ weather observer, and many others. I don't remember a lot of names, as this was many years ago. After 18 months of civilian duty, I went into the Air Force and left HollomanAFB to go to Loring AFB. I believe Corey Brockman went into the Air Force also, and was in Fargo ND. Of course, I went back to Chanute AFB, and finished the Weather forecaster course, and went all over the world. I kept in touch with Lee, and He now works over at Cape Canaveral, launching Balloons. David was discharged out of the Military under a section 8, I believe. Spc4 US Army 1981-1984; GS5 1984-1986; SSGT USAF 1986-1995; Weather observer/Meteorologist."
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